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Former Ruling · Aug 29, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Its a hassle most of us can deal with for the security it gives...

Remember, One ENTIRE region that plays the game mostly plays from Public places..This is a WELCOMED hassle for them, because you can be forgetful and not totally get your account raped.

Loviatar · Aug 31, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Chilly Ress

What if Im not, which is, some of the time.

I know it sounds lazy, but, my password is very complex, hard to type. [/QUOTE]

you can copy/paste as well you know.

ctrl c for copy
ctrl v for paste

silvershock · Aug 31, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Me and my guild members had a discussion about this and we all agreed this would be handy.

25 times /signed

freekedoutfish · Aug 31, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by vinegrower

as already stated, it doesn't do this due to security issues for people on a public computer. If you want this to happen on your personal computer, read the post directly above yours on how to make it happen.

I swear people dont read anything past the first post anymore.

Im not IT illiterate, and I read the post stating

"Put "-password yourpassword" without quotes in your guild wars shortcut, then when you press F12 it auto logs in"

My understanding of that code, at the time I wrote that, was that it wouldnt fix what I suggested.

The reason I thought that is because the code is wrote inside the properties of the GW.exe file.

Meaning it only works when the GW.exe is first executed.

So yes it would make the first login faster, because when its first executed it sends the password and username you wrote to the login screen.

But I didnt think it would work if your changing character by logging out and then back in, because the GW.exe is already executed and it isnt re-sending the password and username.

I might be wrong. Ill try it tonight and if it works then YEH!

freekedoutfish · Aug 31, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Curse You

I guess not all of us have the ability to type our password (no matter how complex) in 2 seconds.

It's simple really, either learn how to type, or use the shortcut.

There could be people who find it hard to type words or long lists of characters into a keyboard.

For instance disabled persons.

They might find it easier to type single keys for moving and target and skills via some device or a joystick, but typing a list of characters like a username and password could be harder.

So thats one reason it could be a hassle to have to keep-entering your details.

Its true they could just use the code inside the executable properties, but whos to say their computer literate or have enough mobility to do complex operations like that.

Just a idea.

vinegrower · Aug 31, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Im not IT illiterate, and I read the post stating

"Put "-password yourpassword" without quotes in your guild wars shortcut, then when you press F12 it auto logs in"

My understanding of that code, at the time I wrote that, was that it wouldnt fix what I suggested.

The reason I thought that is because the code is wrote inside the properties of the GW.exe file.

Meaning it only works when the GW.exe is first executed.

So yes it would make the first login faster, because when its first executed it sends the password and username you wrote to the login screen.

But I didnt think it would work if your changing character by logging out and then back in, because the GW.exe is already executed and it isnt re-sending the password and username.

I might be wrong. Ill try it tonight and if it works then YEH!

I use it all the time and can tell you that when you click the log out button, it takes you back to the character select screen, not to the log in screen.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

There could be people who find it hard to type words or long lists of characters into a keyboard.

For instance disabled persons.

They might find it easier to type single keys for moving and target and skills via some device or a joystick, but typing a list of characters like a username and password could be harder.

So thats one reason it could be a hassle to have to keep-entering your details.

Its true they could just use the code inside the executable properties, but whos to say their computer literate or have enough mobility to do complex operations like that.

Just a idea.

If they are dissabled to the point of not being able to, or find it difficult to type a password, then I doubt that they would be playing an MMO.

Even the most computer illiterate person could follow the directions to add this to the shortcut. It is much less complicated to right click, select properties, then type -password "********" then it is to play guild wars. And if they don't have enough mobility to do that, then how are they playing the game? This is hardly a "complex operation" when compared to playing a MMO.

Kaguya · Aug 31, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

The -password-switch trick isn't very safe, it takes less effort to check your password from the shortcut itself than plant a keylogger, dumdydum.

That's the reason I don't use it, anyways. :b

Chilly Ress · Aug 31, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Well, I started using the "-password" trick on my home computer, and it works great! Thanks! Just paranoid about someone stealing acc. somehow now...

vinegrower · Aug 31, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

The -password-switch trick isn't very safe, it takes less effort to check your password from the shortcut itself than plant a keylogger, dumdydum.

That's the reason I don't use it, anyways. :b

care to explain how someone is able to remotely find and read the properties of a shortcut more easily than using a keylogger?

freekedoutfish · Sep 01, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Quote:

"Even the most computer illiterate person could follow the directions to add this to the shortcut. It is much less complicated to right click, select properties, then type -password "********" then it is to play guild wars. And if they don't have enough mobility to do that, then how are they playing the game? This is hardly a "complex operation" when compared to playing a MMO."

Fair enough about the password code, Ill try it out.

But my point about disabeled people playing GWs or any MMO is valid. Who are we to say they shouldnt be playing a computer game because of they may have disabilities.

I understand what your saying and im sure it would be hard or near impossible for certain disabled persons to play such games.

But that doesnt mean they wouldnt want to or try to.

I think I was originaly replying to someone saying it was lazey to use the -password code instead of just typing in their details everytime, and making the point that it could make life easier for some people.

Such as disabled person.

But to my knowledge there are ways in which handicapped person can still use computers.

Either using head mounted pointers to press keys, or joysticks to control movement, and wheelchair mounted pads which are set up to certain keys on the keyboard.

I actually dont know why I made the comment...

"Its true they could just use the code inside the executable properties, but whos to say their computer literate or have enough mobility to do complex operations like that."

I think I lost my line of thought because I was at work.

If you ignore that comment, then I was trying to say it would be of a benefit to use that code.

vinegrower · Sep 01, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

I never said that they shouldn't be playing computer games. I'm saying that if they are so dissabled that they cannot enter in a password, they are probably too dissabled to play the game. If they are able enough to play the game, then they would have no problems entering in a password.

Unless you can provide proof of some condition that makes it impossible to enter in a simple password, yet still able to use the keyboard and mouse (or other input devices) with enough coordination to be able to play a complex game such as guild wars, then your point remain invalid.

I mean, how did they install the game? How did they enter the cdkey and registration information? How do they communicate with people to form a group or sell items? All of that takes considerable typing, and what ever input device they use to do all that will be more than able to enter a password.

BahamutKaiser · Sep 01, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Evading a security feature just to reduce character switching by 3 seconds is dumb. It is a simple quick security feature which takes all of 3 or 4 seconds to handle, and you want to remove it for what? so you can save 4 seconds?

Why don't we take the locks off your car door so you can get it in faster, that is basicly what you asked for. It may take you a second to unlock your car, but it makes it far more difficult for people to break into, do you see the logic?

And since you do have the option to "unlock" your "car", this isn't even a topic, it is a repeat, moderators should have listed the alternative and closed this thread. Anet has informed us that they intend to leave this in as a security feature, and there is an alternative, that leaves no reason at all to change anything.

Sir_Ace_Manslayer · Sep 02, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

dude simply jus push f12 enter and it takes u right to the screen to enter password and jus make a shorter pass word i do it fine i only have a 7charracter combo and i fly threw it

leeky baby · Sep 02, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

if they can keep the security the same

/signed

freekedoutfish · Sep 04, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by vinegrower

I never said that they shouldn't be playing computer games. I'm saying that if they are so dissabled that they cannot enter in a password, they are probably too dissabled to play the game. If they are able enough to play the game, then they would have no problems entering in a password.

Unless you can provide proof of some condition that makes it impossible to enter in a simple password, yet still able to use the keyboard and mouse (or other input devices) with enough coordination to be able to play a complex game such as guild wars, then your point remain invalid.

I mean, how did they install the game? How did they enter the cdkey and registration information? How do they communicate with people to form a group or sell items? All of that takes considerable typing, and what ever input device they use to do all that will be more than able to enter a password.

Well im hardly an expert on particular disabilities and I cant admit to knowing anyone personally who is disabeled physically in anyway.

But to answer part of your question, purely from my perspective and my opinion and not based on any hard-facts:

A friend, family member or a care worker could have installed all the software and input CD-KEYs, or set up the -password code in the executable.

As for the idea that GWs would be too complicated to control, I disagree.

With the technology they have today such as touch pads, rolling mice and joysticks. All of which can be installed into an electric wheelchair.

There is no reason they couldnt assign those devices to activate or control certain keys or movements on a computer and within a computer game.

It might not be a perfect idea, but id like to be optomistic in believing that not everything is out of reach of disabelled persons.

But if you disagree thats fine. Difference of opinion.

vinegrower · Sep 05, 2006, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Well im hardly an expert on particular disabilities and I cant admit to knowing anyone personally who is disabeled physically in anyway.

But to answer part of your question, purely from my perspective and my opinion and not based on any hard-facts:

A friend, family member or a care worker could have installed all the software and input CD-KEYs, or set up the -password code in the executable.

As for the idea that GWs would be too complicated to control, I disagree.

With the technology they have today such as touch pads, rolling mice and joysticks. All of which can be installed into an electric wheelchair.

There is no reason they couldnt assign those devices to activate or control certain keys or movements on a computer and within a computer game.

It might not be a perfect idea, but id like to be optomistic in believing that not everything is out of reach of disabelled persons.

But if you disagree thats fine. Difference of opinion.

You don't seem to be getting my point. I totally agree that there are ways for disabled persons to use the computer. Computers are the perfect tool for a diabled person to comunicate and participate in the world in ways that are impossible without them. My point is that those tools that enable them to use the computer with enough controll to play a game, also give them enough control to type and enter in a simple password. If they are using imput devices capeable of enabling them to play complicated games, those devices would also enable them to enter in a password, and even type messages.

Here, since you are going off your opinion, and not off any facts, I'll link you to some. SwitchXS is a input device that allows people that are quadriplegic use the computer with amazing efficinecy. This link will take you to some videos of people using this. As you can see, they are able to BOTH type and play a game quite easily. The entering of a password is not going to prevent them from playing the game, since the device that will allow them to play the game will allow them to type the password.

freekedoutfish · Sep 05, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by vinegrower

You don't seem to be getting my point. I totally agree that there are ways for disabled persons to use the computer. Computers are the perfect tool for a diabled person to comunicate and participate in the world in ways that are impossible without them. My point is that those tools that enable them to use the computer with enough controll to play a game, also give them enough control to type and enter in a simple password. If they are using imput devices capeable of enabling them to play complicated games, those devices would also enable them to enter in a password, and even type messages.

Here, since you are going off your opinion, and not off any facts, I'll link you to some. SwitchXS is a input device that allows people that are quadriplegic use the computer with amazing efficinecy. This link will take you to some videos of people using this. As you can see, they are able to BOTH type and play a game quite easily. The entering of a password is not going to prevent them from playing the game, since the device that will allow them to play the game will allow them to type the password.

My original point was disagreeing with someone who said using the -password option was lazey. I was saying to them that it might make life easier for certain people like disabelled persons.

I agree they could use the same devices to input words aswell, but the entire thing stemmed from one arguement.

So we're both in agreement.